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Lippy
Mongo, here is a review of the Canon A610. Dpreview provides the most thorough, most professional reviews, but it hasn't gotten around to this model yet, although a review has been promised.
mongo_jones
QUOTE (Lippy @ Nov 15 2005, 03:56 PM)
Mongo, here is a review of the Canon A610. Dpreview provides the most thorough, most professional reviews, but it hasn't gotten around to this model yet, although a review has been promised.

thanks lippy. the macro shots there are pretty good.

this camera is now at the top of our list for the impending upgrade. i think we've decided to wait till before our next trip to actually do it--unless there's some compelling sales over the holidays. we'd budgeted about $325 for the purchase--about how much i spent years ago on my 2mp kodak dc 280--and so are actually considering upping it a little and getting the big brother a620. then again maybe we'd be better of with the 610 and spending the extra on a sd memory card (since my large capacity flash card won't work with this camera).
Lippy
You will definitely need a larger memory card than the one that comes with the camera. You will also need rechargable batteries and a charger, so budget accordingly. The A620 has a remote shooting feature that people on dpreview talk about that the A610 does not have. I have no idea what that is. If that is important to you, or if you plan to make very large prints, then the extra $100 for the 620 is worthwhile. It wasn't worth it for me and I choose the A610.

If you can wait until after the holiday season, I'm sure the prices will drop.
mongo_jones
QUOTE (Lippy @ Nov 15 2005, 04:26 PM)
You will definitely need a larger memory card than the one that comes with the camera. You will also need rechargable batteries and a charger, so budget accordingly.

i already have a charger and a couple of sets of rechargeable aa's not very long into their life-expectancy. i really hope this camera takes aa's.

you make a good point about only getting the big brother if it has features i actually might use. my one concern is a few stray remarks on dpreview about the construction of the 610. does it feel very solid to you? one of the things i really like about my kodak is its heft--not that i've dropped it but it doesn't feel like it would fall apart at the slightest impact, which some of these new, tiny, sexy cameras do.
rancho_gordo
I have a stupid question: Can I use my old memory cards from my Canon Powershot s200? It uses Compact Flash card. And the additional batteries I bought for it?
mongo_jones
QUOTE (rancho_gordo @ Nov 15 2005, 04:30 PM)
I have a stupid question: Can I use my old memory cards from my Canon Powershot s200? It uses Compact Flash card. And the additional batteries I bought for it?

this camera takes sd cards, so, no, you wouldn't be able to use your compact flash card. bums me out because i just bought a big one a few months ago--not very expensive, but still. i wish they would standardize.

looking at the page for it on dpreview i see it takes aa's (nimh recommended) so i'm golden. don't know what batteries your old one took.
pim
QUOTE (fantasty @ Nov 13 2005, 04:24 PM)
Pim, where were those taken?  The first shot (sardines?) is making me hungry - nice work. 

Have fun getting acquainted with the rest of the features and contraptions - can't wait to see what comes next!

They were from my trip last week to the Riviera. We went to two markets in Italy mostly to shop for food, in Ventimiglia and San Remo, and spent time cooking, in Mougins, in the hills just above Cannes. (Follow these links to see more photos, should you be so inclined.)

I think I'm going to take a class or something when I get back to SF. There are too many buttons and thingies in this camera that I have no idea what to do with. But that's the goal of buying this camera anyway, to learn more about photography, so it should be lots of fun.
rancho_gordo
QUOTE (mongo_jones @ Nov 15 2005, 03:33 PM)

this camera takes sd cards, so, no, you wouldn't be able to use your compact flash card. bums me out because i just bought a big one a few months ago--not very expensive, but still. i wish they would standardize.

looking at the page for it on dpreview i see it takes aa's (nimh recommended) so i'm golden. don't know what batteries your old one took.

So this is all kind of a drag. Are AAA batteries more desirable than a Canon battery? I guess if you're traveling and stuck. And SD cards? I have to kill someone for coming up with all these formats. I have a hard drive's worth of these cards.
Lippy
It's AA, not AAA. The proprietary Li-on batteries are lighter in weight and that is an advantage. People generally use rechargable NiMH (AA) batteries for environmental reasons, but disposable AAs can be used in a pinch if the charge runs out and you are not carrying a spare set. That is an advantage. Take your pick.

The Li-on batteries are much more expensive.
rancho_gordo
So thank you Lippy and Mongo for adding to my credit card debt! I got caught up in the fever and ordered a camera last night. Tana found a site that gives you the best prices and for $339 and free shipping I got the 7.4 megapixel version. It was the macro issue that sold me as I really need to get up close for some bean shots so I guess it's a real need, not a want and I'm not a self-indulgent brat. Really.

I got this at Buydig last night and I just got an email saying it already shipped!
mongo_jones
QUOTE (rancho_gordo @ Nov 16 2005, 01:09 PM)
So thank you Lippy and Mongo for adding to my credit card debt! I got caught up in the fever and ordered a camera last night. Tana found a site that gives you the best prices and for $339 and free shipping I got the 7.4 megapixel version. It was the macro issue that sold me as I really need to get up close for some bean shots so I guess it's a real need, not a want and I'm not a self-indulgent brat. Really.

I got this at Buydig last night and I just got an email saying it already shipped!

is that $339 before the rebate? because i see that the rebate is conditional--requires you to buy something else as well.
Stone
QUOTE (Lippy @ Nov 15 2005, 06:59 PM)
It's AA, not AAA. The proprietary Li-on batteries are lighter in weight and that is an advantage. People generally use rechargable NiMH (AA) batteries for environmental reasons, but disposable AAs can be used in a pinch if the charge runs out and you are not carrying a spare set. That is an advantage. Take your pick.

The Li-on batteries are much more expensive.

I believe that the rechargeable batteries last significantly longer. (That is, you get many more pictures per charge of the rechargeable than you do from one set of regular batteries.)
FaustianBargain
QUOTE (Lippy @ Nov 15 2005, 11:59 PM)
The Li-on batteries are much more expensive.

but they do last longer.
rancho_gordo
QUOTE (mongo_jones @ Nov 16 2005, 12:16 PM)
QUOTE (rancho_gordo @ Nov 16 2005, 01:09 PM)
So thank you Lippy and Mongo for adding to my credit card debt! I got caught up in the fever and ordered a camera last night. Tana found a site that gives you the best prices and for $339 and free shipping I got the 7.4 megapixel version. It was the macro issue that sold me as I really need to get up close for some bean shots so I guess it's a real need, not a want and I'm not a self-indulgent brat. Really.

I got this at Buydig last night and I just got an email saying it already shipped!

is that $339 before the rebate? because i see that the rebate is conditional--requires you to buy something else as well.

I didn't know about a rebate. It was a flat 339.
tanabutler
QUOTE (Lippy @ Nov 14 2005, 05:19 PM)
Thank you, Tana.  I wish my photos were half as breath-taking as yours.

Mongo -- here's a link to some A610 pix, including some macros.

Hey, Lippy, this reminded me of you.

I know you are more focused on architecture, but still. It's New York*. What a glorious shot of laundry, gargoyles, bricks, the absent signage on the yellow (looks like bullet holes), and a tinge of grafitti. So many other details, too.

What a colorful place to walk around.

Ciao, and looking forward more to your own walks.

*How does one spell this phonetically? Neither "Yoik" nor "Yawk," maybe "Yok"?
Lippy
QUOTE (tanabutler @ Nov 22 2005, 03:11 AM)
*How does one spell this phonetically? Neither "Yoik" nor "Yawk," maybe "Yok"?

The way I say it, "York."





Great photos. Very evocative.
rancho_gordo
I'll have photos tomorrow but my initial reaction is WOW. I took a macro by only kitchen light and it's gorgeous. My old camera couldn't have done that. The housing feels a little thin without the batteries but with it feels fine. It's much bigger than my S200, so much so that I think I'm keeping the old one for carrying in my pocket when I don't want the big camera. The interface is so similar that I don't think I'm going to have to refer to the manual at all except with these manual settings.
I was pretty happy to find three 128mb sd cards with my mp3 player that will now be used in the camera.
omnivorette
Which one did you get again?
rancho_gordo
Power Shot A620. $339 with free shipping.
omnivorette
How about the Canon A610? Is the A620 better and different? And about the batteries - do they take AA batteries (regular and rechargable), or specialized batteries? How long do the batteries last?
omnivorette
Duh. I just read back through this thread a bit.

Any more insight into A610 vs A620 would be appreciated.
rancho_gordo
It looks to be the same but with 5 megapixels vs 7.4. I just don't want to buy another camera anytime soon and who knows where my fabulous work will end up? A billboard over Times Square? Better to have more pixels.

There may be other differences but I can't tell.

The battery life is astounding. I go the camera on 22Nov and the batteries just died the other day, and that's with me learning and taking more photos than I normally would. I'm now using my rechargables. We'll see how long they last.
Lippy
The rechargeable batteries last a very long time, for hundreds of shots. The quality of photos for both the A610 and A620 is the same -- excellent. The extra pixels on the A620 allow for closer cropping while retaining quality or for printing at a larger size. The A620 also has the "remote capture" feature, which, from what I can gather, is the ability to control your camera from the computer in order to take time-lapse shots, I think.

I bought the A610 because it was $100 less and 5 megapixels are more than enough for my needs. The quality of the photographs is the same for both cameras. They are not SLRs, but they are just about as good as you can get at this level. Take a look a the user's Canon forum on dpreview. There are some people who feel that the A610 is slightly better under certain conditions for highly technical reasons that will not matter to 99% of users.
omnivorette
How about storage capacity? I see that the A610 comes with less - but how much is that much, in real terms? Do I need to buy an additional card if I buy the 610? Because if the price creeps from the need for accessories, etc - might as well get the 620, right?

BestBuy has the 610 for $269...and there's one nearby.
mongo_jones
i'm not sure, but i think the a620 might have a less plasticy body. i still can't decide whether it is the 620 or 610 i want, but in the end i'll probably go for the cheaper one, and buy a 1 gig card etc. with the savings.

omni, neither will come with any meaningful amount of storage. i'm guessing both come with completely inadequate 16 meg cards.
omnivorette
How much does a 1 gig card cost?
mongo_jones
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Dec 16 2005, 09:32 AM)
How much does a 1 gig card cost?

i refer you to cnet or amazon. prices vary wildly online. for cameras as well--you can probably find the 610 for quite a bit less than $269 online.
omnivorette
610 comes with 16, 620 comes with 32.
mongo_jones
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Dec 16 2005, 09:33 AM)
610 comes with 16, 620 comes with 32.

neither of which is meaningful. perhaps if it was a 1 or 2 megapixel camera.
omnivorette
dpreview lists a bunch of prices for various online suppliers, and $269 is the cheapest I see there....(I won't order anything on line from a supplier I don't have confidence in, for whatever reason)
rancho_gordo
I just bought a 1G card at Staples for $55.
omnivorette
I will want to sell my old digital camera on eBay. Is that ridiculous?

It's a Leica. It's old.
Lippy
You will definitely need to buy a larger card. I have a 256 for my A610, but I rarely shoot at the highest resolution. The larger, the better. You will also need rechargeable batteries and a charger for them.

I paid $299 for my A610 the first weekend it was at B & H at the end of summer. The build on both cameras is the same, but the A6120 is a bit darker in color. The plastic does not feel "plastic-y" and, in fact, my camera survived a fall onto the pavement without harm.
Lippy
Omni, wouldn't your nephews be interested in your old Leica to learn how to use a digital camera? You're not going to get much for it on eBay.

It's disheartening how young "old" is in digital camera years. That's one reason I didn't want to spend more than necessary.
omnivorette
They have their own already. blink.gif

I'll probably have to ask them for help.
mongo_jones
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Dec 16 2005, 09:35 AM)
dpreview lists a bunch of prices for various online suppliers, and $269 is the cheapest I see there....(I won't order anything on line from a supplier I don't have confidence in, for whatever reason)

$247 at onsale.com (a 5 star cnet certified store). and they throw in a free 512 meg card.
omnivorette
Plus the shipping of course. And I want a 1gig card I think.

About the batteries - I'm going to take this to Mexico, where we will have no electricity (and therefore cannot plug in a recharger). Does it take regular AA batteries?
Lippy
It should be noted that no one is going to buy an A6x0 camera for aesthetics. They are among the homeliest available. That being said, my Olympus is a work of art in itself, but the pix it takes can't compare.
Lippy
You can use regular batteries and they will last a long time. One set (4 batteries) and a spare should take you through your whole trip.
omnivorette
No surprise, given Eyebrow's hoarding disease, but he wants to keep the Leica because of its looks.
Lippy
Which model is it?
omnivorette
Digilux 4.3 - it must be at least 5 years old.

http://www.jaasstore.com/detail.php?engid=B00004Z4ZB
rancho_gordo
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Dec 16 2005, 08:49 AM)
I'm going to take this to Mexico, where we will have no electricity

Are you sure? I hear they got some right after the revolution.
omnivorette
Ha. Where we are going, there is no electricity.

http://www.mexicoholiday.com/destinations/...hual-facts.html
mongo_jones
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Dec 16 2005, 09:49 AM)
Plus the shipping of course.  And I want a 1gig card I think.

omni, you will please yourself, of course, but with fedex 2 day shipping this comes to about the same as the best buy price (though less when you add tax on offline). but since you'd buy a 1 gig card anyway, this means you get a free additional 512 megs of storage. you can never have too much storage.
omnivorette
But but but but. Delayed gratification is not my thing. laugh.gif Plus I'd like to have it for a bit before we leave, so I can practice and stuff. And I think I have a 64 card we got for the Leica, so I can take that along for the moment - so I'll have 2 32s and a 64.
Lippy
Omni, you will need a larger card if you are shooting at anything but the lowest resolution. And, if you are doing that, why even consider a 5 or 7 megapixel camera?
tanabutler
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Dec 16 2005, 08:29 AM)
How about storage capacity? I see that the A610 comes with less - but how much is that much, in real terms? Do I need to buy an additional card if I buy the 610? Because if the price creeps from the need for accessories, etc - might as well get the 620, right?

BestBuy has the 610 for $269...and there's one nearby.

Omni, I have also seen some good packages/kits on eBay. You might consider going that route. Extra memory is absolutely required, and tripods and such are also convenient. I purchased a set of lenses, filters, and accessories for a little over $100 a few months ago, and I'm glad I did.

I'll say this: when I looked at the specs on the A620, especially those innovative shooting modes, I got jealous of Rancho Gordo for having one. And I've got an 8 megapixel PowerShot Pro1. I've been recommending that particular camera to anyone who asks. It's worth the extra $$ in my book, easily.

(Here are a couple of examples of kits from eBay.)

Kit #1 at eBay

Camera with kit and extra lenses

Good luck.
tanabutler
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Dec 16 2005, 09:00 AM)
But but but but. Delayed gratification is not my thing. laugh.gif Plus I'd like to have it for a bit before we leave, so I can practice and stuff. And I think I have a 64 card we got for the Leica, so I can take that along for the moment - so I'll have 2 32s and a 64.

That won't be nearly enough memory, Omni. You will need at least 512MB, especially if you're somewhere on vacation without the ability to download to your computer. I actually think you'll need 1MB or more, under those circumstances.

mongo_jones
plus you need a sd card for the 610 or 620--not sure about your leica but my current camera cards are flash cards.
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